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In article <[e-mail]> Brad Hayes <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Brad Hayes <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: What and how do you guys/gals charge for your work?????
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 19:16:44 -0800

[snip]
> It may take a while to figure out what you should be
>charging per day, but if you do a
>job and you fell like you got screwed, raise the rate. To start with I would not
>charge less than $100 per day.
>If you find that you have trouble getting clients then lower it.

>Last peice of advice never waver on your rate. never be afraid to reject a
>client if he cant afford you. just
>tell them that perhaps they should find someone else. if you lower your rate of
>give discounts, you will never
>be able to charge full price to that client again.

>Brad Hayes

Don't bid too low.  If the price is too low you may be suspected of not
knowing what you are doing.

NEVER do anything for free - with the possible exception of doing something
for a charitable organization.  It may be reasonable to do something in trade,
but make sure you receive real value in trade.

One pricing theory is to determing the client's budget and then offer an
animation to fit.  We try to do that and give one higher cost and one lower
cost alternative.  Many clients are quite willing to give you some idea of
their budget restraints.  This actually generally works out well for both
parties.


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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: n-gon Importing into Lightwave
Date: 5 Jan 1996 03:11:44 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Is there any way to import n-gon models into Lightwave? I've tried to
>import a model via 3DS but it auto-triangulated the model.  Is OBJ
>triangulated as well?

3DS objects are always composed of triangles.  The Wavefront format
is quite similar to LightWave, when it comes to what kinds of
polygons are possible.  LW allows 1- and 2-gons, while Wavefront
uses separate commands for those plus an ordinary 'f' face command
for n-gons like those in LW.

- John


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From: [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Switch to NT hard?  Memory probs...
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 03:09:33 GMT
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On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:34:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Kim Thomas)
wrote:
>The new version of FD Painter is supposed to work, and there are NT versions of some of the
>other software I use available, I just have to get the cash together for the upgrades.

All the version of FD Painter I have since Painter 2 have run under
NT. Painter 4 is a 32bit app and also runs under NT. The software is
still buggy as ever, this piece of software crashes more than any
Windows program I have. My machine is a Dell XPS 100 w/64MB RAM so
it has enough power. Its just that Painter is essentially Mac code
with GUI extensions to run under Windows.

I was hoping that Painter4 would have been a re-write of the code
like Adobe has done with Photoshop 3, Premiere 4, Pagemaker 6, and
Illustrator 6. The 32bit version of Painter 4 crashes as much as the
16bit versions.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: logo ?
Date: 4 Jan 1996 20:18:01 -0700
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In article <4cbp25$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: logo ?
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 20:12:28 GMT

>BTW,It seems that at all of the Computer shows (local) they are
>selling tons of Postscript fonts on CD for $5.00 a disk.I bought 3
>last week,and now I have no truetype errors.
>So keep your eyes open.

>Wayne

I think this is the best soulution.  I got a disk with both TT and Postscript
fonts (2001 of them) for $14 at computer city a few months ago.  These work
fine for making LW objects.  These type of CD-ROMs are fairly easy to find.





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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Stranahan & NewTek
Date: 4 Jan 1996 20:35:02 -0700
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In article <4chtav$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
>From: [e-mail] ()
>Subject: Re: Stranahan & NewTek
>Date: 5 Jan 1996 01:02:23 GMT


[snip]
>|>
>  I think this my be. Many of the users in my local user group use Alphas
> but as I am now working evenings, I don't get the pleasure of seeing them
> anymore. The SGI version is being marketed by someone other than Newtek
> and it cost more but is also bundeled with other stuff. Now business is
> business and lets face it, software development cost, inventory cost.
> The Alpha user base while growing is still mostly dominated by those
> making money at LW. I see prices for other software vary from platform
> to platform. It's easy to justify developing for a platform that dominates
> the market, but if you develop for a small exclusive group the requirements
> may vary. I realize it runs NT but it still required R&D and I for one am
> glad to see it even if I can't afford the resources yet. How thin can one
>  expect NewTek to spread itself ? I am still waiting for 4.0 of the Amiga
> version, but you don't see me complaining alot around here. The cross platform
> effort NewTek is making is commendable. I had a chance to go to ANY version
> of LW from 3.5 standalone. However I elected to wait for the Amiga version,
> of course if thats all you own...:-). I think some tend to be a little harse
> on NewTek .
> BTW who has an Alpha that regrets running LW on it for the higher cost
> given the increase in productivity it offers ?

> -bill

These arguments make sense, but  NewTek anounced that they would be selling at
the same price on all platforms a year ago.  Some folks bought Alphas only to
find the software price going by 100% unexpectedly.  It breeds ill will when
you can't trust what Newtek says.  Its a common joke here.  Notice all the
"two week" comments.

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From: Per Swantesson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: "Print res" needs huuuuuge amount of RAM, HELP!
Date: 5 Jan 1996 10:34:02 GMT
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I am making a poster in Lightwave. I've got a Pentium 133 with 32 Mb RAM
but it seems like it's impossible to render pictures larger than
1280x1024. It's a quite simple scene with 20000 polygons.

How much more RAM do I need for 2500x1800?
Why does not 100 Mb swapfile help?
How can I split the image in smaller parts and then join them semlessly?
Is more physical RAM the only solution?

regards,

Per Swantesson
Ericsson Software Technology AB
Sweden





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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: NT-SGI Screamernetting
Date: 4 Jan 1996 21:21:06 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
>Subject: NT-SGI Screamernetting
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 21:01:58 GMT

>Could someone who has successfully done the above please respond by
>email to me.

>The hurdle I want to get over is that the path name for saves is
>hard-coded into the scene file.  NT's path is:

>s:renders/cohen

>whereas SGI's path to the same thing is:

>/nfs/Dog/s/renders/cohen

>I know I can use the relative path option off of the Newtek directory,
>but I want to save files to a complete different HD.  Is there a
>option like 'assign' on Amigas in UNIX that would allow me to assign
>s: to that path?

>BTW, why is there no way for screamernet to occasionally check to see
>if new CPU's have come online since they were initiated?

>Please reply by email if possible.

>Thanks in advance.

You might try looking at the subst command.  It is supposed to be supported
under NT.  I haven't seen anything like it under Win 95 though.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Proposed changes to Lightwave
Date: 4 Jan 1996 21:30:02 -0700
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In article <4cern7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel J. McCoy) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Daniel J. McCoy)
>Subject: Re: Proposed changes to Lightwave
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 18:20:17 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Steve Koren) wrote:
>>I assume Win95/NT has something akin to:
>>  assign LWObjs:  mydir2 objects/houses/big objects/houses/small ADD

>You'd figure that with today's OS technology that WinNT and Win95 would have
>such a thing.  Alas, the PC world still has single drive letters and can give
>names to disks yet can't access them via their names.  No soft or hard links
>for either WinNT or Win95 (ooohhh...  Shortcuts....) that I'm aware of (if I
[snip]

>Dan
>Off his soap box now and will go back to playing around with Dogz...

>--
>Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
>WWW - http://www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy

Yep - there are things AmigaDos does much better than Windows.  Arexx is a
beautiful idea.  BUT there are things that Windows does better than AmigaDos
as well.

Windows NT does have the subst command.  It is NOT as powerful as assign on
the Amiga, but it may be enough to get somebody by.  Oddly, this command only
exists on Win95 from within a DOS session.


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: Pricing on non PC platforms
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---------------------------------------
 In order to be able to pay for the cost of
porting the program to another platfor such as SGI, you have to
charge more because you are going to sell much fewer copies.
-------------------------------------------------

So in other words, the Amiga version should cost more then the PC version?


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Check out the home page!
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: The new 9fx Reality 3d from #9?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 23:26:59 -0800
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Does anybody know if the new #9 board will speed up the graphics in LW? I
know it supports OpenGL but what about rendering? If LW ever supports
OpneGl This might be the card to get. I heard it does 800k+ triangles for
under $400.
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: HELP again! (was Ack! Help! Saving Animations)
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In article <4cf0lb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (C Mak) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (C Mak)
>Subject: Re: HELP again! (was Ack! Help! Saving Animations)
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 22:34:23 GMT

>[e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson) wrote:


[snip]

>I have Win95 but have been hearing so many conflicting reviews and
>opinions on it that I don't know if I should install it.  Part of me
>is saying "install", the other part of me is afraid it is going to
>incidiously take over my entire comuter and I'll never be able to use
>it again :-)

>Chris

Backup your 3.1 disks and install Win95.  If you hate it - you can go back
rather painlessly.  Operating system preferences seem to be like religious
beliefs.  You have to form your own.


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From: [e-mail] (Phillip Finch)
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Subject: Re: PC Lightwave 4.0 - best deal?
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:58:40
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In article <4ci4ha$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Foust) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
>Subject: Re: PC Lightwave 4.0 - best deal?
>Date: 5 Jan 1996 03:05:14 GMT


>>I'm currently a 3D Studio user looking to crossover into using
>>Lightwave 4.0. Can anyone recommend a mailorder company that does the
>>best deal on the full latest version (not a so-called 'educational'
>>package though)? Is $750 the best price around?

>I hear Safe Harbor is having a sale on LW PC, lower than anyone
>else.  Call 800-544-6599 for more info.

I do like these folks. Good service, their prices are fair, good technical
advice.

You might also try Merle Ilgenfritz/Wild-Eyed Video ([e-mail]). I think
I saw his latest price at $719. I've also had only good experiences with
him...


Phil Finch ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Schmitt)
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Subject: REBOOT on SCI - FI channel, Anti-gravity room
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:47:15 GMT
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on this weeks 'Anti-gravity' room on the scifi channel (if you cant
find a schedule, they have a web page) they have a good long segment
on the making of reboot.
its on saturday and sunday, the fifth and sixth.... a bit before noon
eastern time both days i believe.

it was informative.



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Subject: Re: LightwavePro
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I guess I was a little luckier when I was a subscriber...I'd ALWAYS
get at least 2 sometimes 3 copies of the same issue---one addressed to
me (first & last name) and another couple addessed to just my first
name....Go figure?!?

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Subject: Re: Explosion!
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[e-mail] (Jan-Willem Korver) wrote:

>>Who makes a tape or book that explains how to make groovy explosions?
>
>Get yourself the "Pyrotechniques" tape from Desktop Images.

I don't know if there are any other competing tapes available, but I was
pretty disappointed by the Pyrotechniques tape.

I had watched the 2 Ron Thornton spaceship tapes just before, and found
them full of good tips with detailed explanations and a little humour
to keep the wheels rolling. And once Ron was finished, the resulting
spaceship looked really good.

Brad Peebler's Pyrotechniques methods were not nearly as professional
looking.

Every time he started to explain a new technique, I'd sit there and
wonder how he was going to get such a simple effect to look good.

Every time he had finished and the results were shown, I'd sit there
and see that he hadn't succeeded, and wonder why I'd paid $50 to see
something that looked so cheesy.

The tape will give you a number of basic ideas and starting points
that you can then expand on to create your own effects, but I've
seen better tutorials in Lightwave Pro magazine and on the LightSpeed
tapes.

The LightSpeed tutorial on procedural fire (by Dave Warner?) was
particularly good, and looked much better than anything on the
Pyrotechniques tape.

You might consider buying the new Lightwave Pro compilation book and a
LightSpeed subscription instead.

Just my 2c,

John.



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From: [e-mail] (Scott Green)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Wanted: TBC IV
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 07:22:41 GMT
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I am looking for a DPS TBC IV or two.  Please call or respond via
e-mail.

Scott Green
[phone]
[e-mail]


--
Scott Green
Creative Video Editing
2605 Todd Dr.
Madison, Wisconsin 53713
http://www.cve.com
[e-mail]


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: The new 9fx Reality 3d from #9?
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Well, I'd stay away from #9..as a company they give bad
support! THey charged me for a free mpeg software and the
software did not even work!!

Adam

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Graveen)
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Subject: Re: PC Lightwave 4.0 - best deal?
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In article <4ccvg7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (dokk) says:
>
>I'm currently a 3D Studio user looking to crossover into using
>Lightwave 4.0. Can anyone recommend a mailorder company that does the
>best deal on the full latest version (not a so-called 'educational'
>package though)? Is $750 the best price around?
>
>Any and all info and advice is gratefully appreciated! Replies by
>email are best.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Paul Docherty
>[e-mail]
>
    Give or take a few bucks, that's the best price I've found.

    Michael Graveen

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From: "Nir A. Hermoni" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LW4.0/NT Bug
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All :)

I'm back from this long off-line vacation. Great to see you again, and happy new year!

While running LW 4.0 on Win NT I get an heap error 6018 while rendering. LW than
disappears.
I'm using a Packard Bell P133, 40 megs RAM, built-in video card (Cirus logic I
believe).

Anyone encountered this?

Thanx,

Nir Hermoni, Israel
[e-mail]

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From: Edward Smith <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pricing on non PC platforms
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 13:09:24 -0600
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Chuck Furlong wrote:
>
> > Elfwork wrote:
> ...
> > Second, an SGI or and Alpha (up till very recently and is still pretty
> true today)
> > could do the work of at least two PC/Macs in terms of productivity.  So,
> to do
> > the same amount of work, the user can buy two PCs/Macs, two Photoshops,
> or one SGI/Alpha
> > and one Photoshop and get the job done.....
>
> Flame, flame....
>
> Guess you haven't tried a PPC lately.  The speed of PH on a PPC is as fast
> as you can draw (given
>  40 or more of ram). The only way a SGI or Alpha could double productivily
> is if it could make
> your hand and/or brain go twice as fast.  3-D may be faster on SGI...not 2-D.

Sure, got a bunch of them.  66 MHz 601's 80 MHz 601's 133 Mhz 604's.  And they are
fast.  That's what I said, "up till very recently and is still pretty true today).
But it sounds like you're assuming that all people do is draw with photoshop.  And also, that
everybody uses video resolution.

A gaussian blur on a 2k resolution image takes a few seconds on and Indy or a PPC 604.  This
can and does translate into minute(s) on slower Macs and PCs.

There are numerous filters for Photoshop that take <EM>Considerable</EM> time at that
resolution.

And our Indys are VERY much faster in manipulating 2D images than any of our PPC Macs (all of
which have stock (non-accelerated) Apple graphics boards.

So yes, PPC's are fast chips, but are are choked by MacOS.

>
> --
> Chow,
> Chuck Furlong
> [e-mail]

--
Edward Smith
Systems Administrator
Alpha Video and Audio
http://www.alphavideo.com

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From: me
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Subject: Re: Anim to Video
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 12:06:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rich Comber) wrote:


>Hi!

>As a new owner of LW4.0, my goal is to develop my skills and eventually
>produce a demo tape of my work.  There is alot of professional experience
>here on this group and so ...   I'm looking for a low cost (<$500) solution to
>move my anims to video.  Enough to show off my work.  I'm looking for
>suggestions on hardware/software (intel platform).   I'm currently using a
>5x86-120 w/32MB RAM, 1.2GB HD running Win NT 3.51.

>BTW - I'm in the NW burbs of Chicago.  Any users or LW usergroups in the area?

>Thanks in advance for the advice!


>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rich Comber <[e-mail]>        "The only bad day you have is the
>                                       one you'll never get to see."

There are no low cost solutions. Either a single frame recorder (in
excess of $1000.00 or a PAR with good HD in excess of $2,000.00 thats
your choice.


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From: [e-mail] (Kim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Switch to NT hard?  Memory probs...
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Tim Krego ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:34:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Kim Thomas)
: wrote:
: >The new version of FD Painter is supposed to work, and there are NT versions of some of the
: >other software I use available, I just have to get the cash together for the upgrades.

: All the version of FD Painter I have since Painter 2 have run under
: NT. Painter 4 is a 32bit app and also runs under NT. The software is
: still buggy as ever, this piece of software crashes more than any
: Windows program I have. My machine is a Dell XPS 100 w/64MB RAM so
: it has enough power. Its just that Painter is essentially Mac code
: with GUI extensions to run under Windows.

(snip)

That's interesting, because the version I have (ver. 2 w/ X2) doesn't
run. Any ideas? I'll still be getting the new version, eventually (it's
sooo much fun not be able to find work...).
--
Dave Thomas
Moving Pixels
"I haven't actually read your script, but I have
some questions about it" - Actual client quote
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Action Jackson)
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Subject: Re: Amiga 4000T ?
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[e-mail] (JKrause357) wrote:

>can i use a 1084 or 1084s monitor on my amiga  4000T
>do i need a sync strainer. i'm geting it for lightwave.

>thank you
>joe

YES! You can use the 1084 or 1084s monitors with the A4000T. But dont
forget that it would be LOW RES. ie 640x200 (256 in PAL). OR flikker
like HELL in Hi RES ie 640x400 (512 in PAL).

If you are getting LW 4.0 (which I am told but dont know for sure) is
supposed to support CyberGfx. So you could get the CV64 and use it on
a Multi Sync Monitor with higher Res.